"It was...yeah. It was a metal cage inside a locked room. Now he's in a very fancy...library, really. Somehow he's managed to collect a lot of books in his padded cell."

He considered the question.

"She was never wild about the idea, but I had a succession of therapists before, during and then after the trial - I had to testify and it was a media circus - and one of them thought, if I could talk to him about what he did, I could... let go of it. So she had her driver take me every Saturday afternoon."