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after Flint's post, before flood
Date: 16 Dec 2022 13:35 (UTC)I'd like to hear your thoughts.
[ He doesn't sound angry or defensive. He sounds like he wants to hear what he has to say, that he's willing to listen.]
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Date: 16 Dec 2022 14:03 (UTC)no subject
Date: 16 Dec 2022 14:19 (UTC)I've spoken to Lark about the idea of a code, but it would have to be discussed and negotiated among the groups and pairings on board. [ Are there 'families' on board, 'gangs', 'crews'? They might not be called that, but that doesn't mean they don't exist. And each of them has their own social beliefs, ideas on how to conduct themselves, ideas of what is appropriate or reasonable. 'Multicultural' is absolutely right and that's not even accounting for the personal wardening styles. ] Without buy in, any 'code' or 'justice' would simply be a club to use against others.
[ ...or a bat. He's still a little sore about Raylan's choice of action, but he's not here to complain. ]
I wanted to make sure you haven't lost trust in me, as a co-worker in the counseling office, or as a warden.
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Date: 16 Dec 2022 15:26 (UTC)No, not at all! I believe what happened between you and Izzy was consensual. An unusual technique, but we live in an unusual place. And you’re right: rules without buy-in, enforced by some, would be easy to wield for bullying. If you and Lark are working on something, I’m interested. He seems… kind and solid. I think we probably, as a group, can do better, but taking everyone’s differences into account to do that will be a major undertaking. I certainly don’t think violent tit-for-tatting is going to help at all, though it seems to be the current go to between groups. I prefer non-violent solutions, but violence is going to happen sometimes and we need to be able to deal with it.
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Date: 16 Dec 2022 18:19 (UTC)The worst problem I see is a lack of good faith. You can't deal with others without the assumption that they're willing to work with you.
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Date: 16 Dec 2022 18:50 (UTC)no subject
Date: 16 Dec 2022 19:39 (UTC)They have to believe you have any reason to make things better for them.
Wardens are the ones in power. The way it looks to many is that it's in our interest only to make them vulnerable and soft, or to bend them to our wishes. Or both.
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Date: 22 Dec 2022 02:44 (UTC)What sort of conversation are you going to have with Izzy so long after the fact?
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Date: 22 Dec 2022 02:47 (UTC)But he's not an unreasonable man. And I want to address how we're going to move forward.
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Date: 22 Dec 2022 03:47 (UTC)no subject
Date: 22 Dec 2022 03:49 (UTC)[ That's his professional diagnosis. ]
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Date: 22 Dec 2022 03:54 (UTC)no subject
Date: 22 Dec 2022 03:55 (UTC)I trust Givens-san to talk to him about it in a constructive way.
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Date: 25 Dec 2022 16:20 (UTC)no subject
Date: 27 Dec 2022 04:35 (UTC)Before it happened, I never would have expected this from him.
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Date: 27 Dec 2022 04:39 (UTC)no subject
Date: 27 Dec 2022 15:00 (UTC)And that he would hide what he'd done from me. Or hide what Hands-san had done. I thought we trusted one another as coworkers.
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Date: 28 Dec 2022 22:08 (UTC)no subject
Date: 29 Dec 2022 01:26 (UTC)...the fact that he didn't tell me what happened to Roy-san or that he intended to have the meeting is what alarms me.
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