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From:

abrightboy

...I'm not blaming you. You said you were having ongoing issues with some people who reacted poorly to their first impression of you and I think... that making an effort to build a bridge there is a good idea. I don't actually know whether those people are inmates or wardens or a mixture. I just... thought it was good that you wanted to... take the communal route over isolating yourself. [He pauses.] What did you think was happening?

Edited Date: 19 Aug 2024 21:36 (UTC)

From:

handleyourshit

I haven't decided to take the communal route.

I'm starting with not wanting to get jumped on whenever I speak up on the network.

From:

abrightboy

Is the solution to that not being more part of the community?

[He's genuinely asking.]

From:

handleyourshit

I mean, here I am.

But I'm not going to walk on eggshells all the time. I'm not the girl that's going to ask please, sir, may I have a voice in the proceedings that determine what my life is going to be like for the foreseeable future.

If that's what it takes to be heard even when you're genuinely talking common sense, then I'm just as content to go back to waiting to be dead again.

From:

abrightboy

I don’t think anyone wants you to beg. I do think that, if other people have no reason to think you’re not going to still treat them like they’re the ones that put you here, then you maybe have to meet them halfway a bit. Like you’re doing with me, right now. Most Wardens do genuinely want to help inmates get out of here.

From:

handleyourshit

But only the nice ones.

Not the ones that actually need someone to help them, maybe.

From:

abrightboy

Maybe they want to help them too, but they don't know how. Maybe it's frustrating for them to try and to have that effort thrown back in their face. Maybe their trauma tells them that if they keep offering their hand, it will keep getting bit, so they stop. That doesn't mean they don't want to help. It could mean they maybe need you to tell them that it's okay with you if they try to help you now.

From:

handleyourshit

I understand that.

And Malcolm, when I say this, it's not singling you out. I'm not trying to tell you this is your fault, specifically, singularly.

But if people who choose to come here and deal with the population they know are going to also be here can't handle being the one to overcome their trauma and frustration and keep making the effort? Then it's their own fault that they're here. Inmates don't owe wardens anything, and maybe some of the people who come here as inmates aren't capable of making the gesture first.

From:

abrightboy

No, of course. And I'm not going to... go into what wardens actually know and don't know when they take this on, though maybe we can talk about it some time. But when a warden reaches out and reaches out and gets slapped and gets slapped... how many times do you think they should keep reaching out? And if the inmate makes it clear that they think the warden is an annoying piece of shit and they don't want to hear it, is continuing to try and engage helpful or is it harassment? There aren't really... easy answers to those questions. And not all of us are the best at navigating complicated social dynamics and understanding boundaries.

From:

handleyourshit

I realize the Admiral probably isn't the most forthcoming. But you know now.

[And still he's here.]

I get it. I just... my point is just that if everyone is going to insist on a divide, there's responsibility on one side. If I could have just gotten away from you so neither of us had to deal with each other, I would have, but I couldn't.

I can't.

From:

abrightboy

I don't actually want there to be a divide, honestly. I don't think you know how much shit I took for being in a relationship with Will Graham. And Jesus was one of the most... closed minded and condescending for it. That's basically what started the argument we were in when you got here. ...Still sorry for spilling that on you, by the way. Anyway, I guess none of us really gets a choice in that; it won't change the basic structure of how the Admiral set things up to work. And I do try to take my responsibilities seriously. But when I push too hard to engage with people who don't want me to - some of them inmates - I get even more shit than I do when I just... let them be. I thought it was my responsibility to try to help them whether they wanted me to or not, because of course they wouldn't if they didn't choose to be here, but it's so important to help them get free. But then there's leaving room for those people to at least have the personal agency of setting their own boundaries and backing off when they say that's what they want, so I've been trying that lately, because I don't want... to be more anyone's problem than I am part of their solution. And I truly don't know what the right answer is, when it comes to the choice between pushing past the resistance to prove that I care about helping them and backing off because someone is shouting in your face that that's what they want and it's right to respect that. I still don't. I know I don't want to just... not deal with you.

My inmate isn't talking to me at the moment. I told him I won't reach out again until he tells me it's okay to. Do you think that's a mistake?

From:

handleyourshit

You're not going to get far with insulting Jesus to me, still. Whatever beef you two have - all I'm going to say is he's not close minded or judgmental. I've been to war with the man. We've killed for each other, and he almost got killed for refusing to kill prisoners that absolutely would have killed us if they had the chance, and that we could literally starve if we took them on. Whatever issue you hit with him is not... trivial.

But I'm not in the middle of it. I don't want to be. If you try to do it again, an apology won't cover it. Alright?

From:

abrightboy

I wasn't trying to turn you against him or something. I was tr...

[He stops.]

All right.

From:

handleyourshit

[It's audio, so he won't see her slowly raising eyebrow as he starts, but he'll hear the approval when she says, ]

Thank you.

As for the rest - I think you should approach individuals as individuals. There's no one strategy that's going to work for other people and no shortcut to knowing who's who.

Why isn't Walter talking to you?

From:

abrightboy

I don’t really know. He talks in riddles. He didn’t like how I… well, no. He didn’t have a problem so much with how I handled the murder as with what he perceived as the public reception of how I handled the murder. He thinks I don’t understand… something. But I don’t know what because he tells me half sentences and I have to try to fill in the blanks like some sort of demented madlib and if my answers don’t match his answers, I can’t know the next half piece of information. But he was very clear about not wanting me to talk to him. He wrote me a letter.

From:

handleyourshit

...yeah.

Sounds like maybe he's got a few trust issues of his own.

From:

abrightboy

Well, of course he does. So I’m trying to show him that I’ll keep my word to him. As a first step.

From:

handleyourshit

Yeah.

There are worse first steps. I don't know him, so I can't tell you. You're going to have to work it out with him, and maybe that means waiting until he's ready to try you again.

From:

abrightboy

And hope he doesn't find that terribly insulting.

...What did you think was happening when you got here?

From:

handleyourshit

Then he should be a little clearer about what he wants.

[She sighs.]

The last memory I have back home was being shot during a battle with another community. We killed a bunch of their people because they were going around to communities, beating children to death in front of everyone and threatening to do the same to anyone who didn't pay what amounted to a protection fee and we weren't interested in waiting until they did it to us.

So when I woke up here, I thought we'd lost and they'd taken me prisoner. I expected to be beaten to death to prove a point or set an example, or raped by anyone that wanted to, or eaten. Possibly all three. There is nothing I wouldn't have done to keep that from happening, or to force them to kill me quick.